What happens at the end of a course?
I'm done with the French course. I hit 4806 words today. I was congratulated. I love Lingvist. I'm sure the algorithm to decide what words to show you is brilliant but once you hit the maximum number of words you cannot keep practicing as many words as you want.
My daily routine was 150 words and I wish I could keep doing this once I'm done. Now I only get 30/40 a day once the progrom thinks it's time to review them. My approach has been to come back every weekend and do the review of as many words as are in the stack.
I'm sure there must be an easy way to modify the program to show me the 150 weakest words no matter what.
A final thought: I think Lingvist is GREAT. But I would prefer if they become better at 3-4 languages than mediocre at 30 (like Duolingo). I would prefer if you kept developing the French course until there is no other place that can compete with you guys.
Imagine: Lingvist, the place where you can learn 10000 words.
@carlosquintanillaa Hi Carlos, let us know how did you manage to continue your daily french routine. During this week I've finished both Duolingo and Lingvist. I plan to continue learning by using both of them and also listening to Coffee Break French, reading news in French and reading Le Petit Nicolas. My weakest skill is grammar that's why I bought a french grammar book which I haven't started yet.
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And why don't begin to talk with french people ? Like going on the french part of this forum, read questions in french and answer to them in french. It's a tough exercice but it help a lot.
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@Adriana-Zapata that's going to depend on how many cards a person is doing a day. More cards is going to necessarily mean more errors, which means more reviews per day. It snowballs. I cut down my daily work from 150 cards to 100 cards because as the cards increased in difficulty, I was making more errors, which meant I was having more than 150 reviews a day, and since I was limiting myself to just 150/day, for days in a row I'd learn zero new cards.
I dropped to 100 cards a day and now about 70 of them are reviews and 30 are new.
So like I said, your avg # of cards is going to depend on how many new things you tried to force yourself to learn a day (which will mean a higher ratio of reviews to new cards over time).
I've learned 2552 words, but I don't see a statistic for average # of cards to repeat each time. But based on my memory, it used to be about 150 reviews, and now it's 70. Near the beginning it was more like 30.
Question for all of you who ended the course: What's the average number of cards you had studied at the the end of the course? So far I've learned 2250 words with an average of 170 cards to repeat every time. (not counting the cards with new words)
I made a new profile and started the course over so I can keep doing the vocabulary drills. Even if you learn all the vocabulary words, there is a lot to be learned from memorizing the whole sentence in which it is presented.
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I have to disagree with the people recommending Memrise. I have found it to me loaded with many errors. I have ventured there to see what options are available for beginners and intermediate folks who want to learn or continue to learn French. No offense to Memrise folks but the otions for French language are pretty bad. Many are user contributed and have incorrect audio or the images and words do not match up. I have actually found that to be the case in 4 of the options under learning French that I have found on Memrise.
I was one of the few ones that finished the French course early and quick (21 hours) and I still come back here because it is part of my daily routine. Duo, Lingvist and Memrise.
I get so excited whenever there are new words added to the course and being congratulated again for finishing the course again. It used to say that I was on the 1% of the finishers, now it says I am part of the 3%, which is nice because other people are also learning a new language with this great app.
And I just saw this new screen after finishing my daily Lingvist:
Pretty cool. Who does not like stats?
And they have great support here (hi Marina!). I'll go here everyday until Lingvist does not let me anymore.
Bonne chance à tous!
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@Turrab The only thing bad about Clozemaster is that the sentences aren't checked for accuracy.
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@carlosquintanillaa Add Tandem to that list of apps. It's the best one imo.
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Move on from Lingvist; you already have a basic foundation laid for you and it is time to delve into speaking the language regularly, reading news, and literature etc.
If you want an app try Clozemaster that teaches you 26000 words, but it is not as polished as Lingvist.
First I answer your question: Where do I want to go? One day, I want to read French the way I read English today (not my native language). I'm getting pretty good at it.
Second: Thanks for the suggestion about Italki and Verbling. I was recently considering Verbling. I would love to spend 2-3 hours every week chatting, but I'm horrified to get started. Will I be able to fill an hour of "conversation" with my rather limited French?
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@carlosquintanillaa That's a lot of work you put into it. Where do you want to go with this if speaking is not what you're interested? Last year when I was studying with Duo, I didn't care about speaking either, but then I noticed that my listening comprehension didn't improve. I realized I needed real world interaction for my brain to react quickly to verbal communication.
I recently took lessons on verbling and italki. I like both but italki is cheaper. We're talking about $6/hour cheap. Since you can afford to pay Babbel, I would suggest you pay for italki. I still can't speak much but after a month, I don't feel like a babbling idiot anymore. Now I seek out other language partners so I can speak and don't have to pay. My advice is for a month or two, pay $6-$8 a day to speak with a french tutor/teacher for an hour (different teachers each day). That's $30-$40/week = $120-$160/month. So the total cost may not be much.
Personally I have teachers for conversations and teachers specifically for pronunciation, liaisons and enchaînements (I'm already strong on grammar and vocabulary). Good luck!
Thanks dev_temp. I will explore those alternatives.
One which I forgot to mention and I also recommend is: Readlang Web Reader. It's an extension for Chrome. Say you are reading Le Monde and you find a word that you don't know. You click on it and you get the translation. But even nicer, you can import the word (and the context, you import the sentence actually) to your own personal database. Then you go back once in a while to their website and practice the words.
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@carlosquintanillaa Nice! I envy (in a good way). There is always Anki or Memrise to complement your section b. Just sayin'...
Thanks dev_temp. Your suggestions are very good. Actually they are part of my daily routine. But I did like having Lingvist part of it.
a) "keep gold the tree" in Duolingo (my daily goal is 50 xps)
b) 150 words in Lingvist
c) About 20-25 minutes (Babbel; see I am willing to pay for a good product)
d) at least 30 minutes France24 everyday
e) A chapter a week from a good Grammar Book (I like French Grammar in Context by Jubb).
e) 1 hour min reading in Frech
The only component missing is speaking french. This component in particular has no interest for me.
I understand that Lingvist eventually wants to go commercial. What are you going to do with "customers" like me who after 2 1/2 months are done? You want to retain them.
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@carlosquintanillaa I can't support you on that. I see this as a matter of habit, to go through those words that you already know and supposedly still remember, but it's probably not the best way to spend your spare time. The language learning doesn't ends with those 4806 words. Now, when you have gotten so far, it's a high time to read a book in French, learn some grammar or even find someone to practice with. As, no matter how sophisticated the program is, in a long run, it wouldn't give you as much, as a real-world practice. Any of the language learning systems I know (like Duolingo, RosettaStone, Pimsleur and Michel Thomas courses or even our beloved Lingvist) aims just to get one started with the language. After that, you are on your own with the big world. So you should find out your learning goals and priorities and pursue them