Dear Lingvist team,
I have received your letter about "Lingvist 2018" and the table differences between "Lingvist Free" and upcoming "Lingvist Unlimited".
A few weeks ago I have signed up for learning Portugese (BR), which is NOT yet officially available on your portal, with your PT-EN reverse course.
I didn't want to start with Spanish or French on Lingvist at this time, because I have the feeling that I need to invest (much) more time into Portuguese for my 2nd and (maybe) 3rd years and not confuse new languages with what I have already learned in Portuguese without building "the core".
According to your longer 2018 newsletter in the Portuguese written language I now definitely know that I was right ;)
A learner can e.g display on Lingvist the PT (L1 source) sentence above the (translation / sentence) panel, but sadly to say, you won't hear the base/source PT audio, instead of it focuses on the EN course and thinks you actually want to learn English as the L2 target language (from Portuguese EU/Portugal).
Well, better than nothing, don't you agree? ;)
I know how it "feels" on the DuoLingo (EN-PT) forward tree having to read Portuguese and translate into English (higher ratio); somehow this is still great for practicing reading books or reading TV subtitles ;)
As a new Lingvist user I want to say something about your planned max. 3000 words cut with "Lingvist Free":
My DuoLingo Portuguese (BR) course already lists 3,450 words for my completed EN-PT tree (I am still not at (max.) level 25, so there will be a few MORE words to come, until I reach 30.000XP and more).
I will see how the DuoLingo reverse trees PT-DE and PT-EN go with the count, as they already introduced NEW Portuguese words in the beginning skills of my tree, so there is hope!
- I am also active on Memrise since more than ~1 year:
All courses Memrise PT BR Basic, PT1-7 and "DuoLingo PT BR by MartinPen (user-created)" already count a total of ~4,726 "words learned" (incl. phrases/sentences, ~114/1742 words (sentences) from 50languages)
and I have even N O T completed the offical Memrise PT7, so finishing it will add another (not already counted) 350 words.
I guess the higher Memrise "words learned number" means, that same "words" - seen across various courses - may be double/triple counted (could be; I can not verify personally)?!
The (free) EasyAcademy Portuguese Polyglot course on Memrise lists about 7,172 words (per description levels B1/B2/C1).
There are more 2000/4000/6000 or above 8000 words free user-created courses on Memrise, but - of course - NOT with full context / example sentences!
Unfortunately "Lingvist Free" can not be IMHO anymore (for me) the "upper-beginner / intermediate / advanced" web portal a learner can go to, when he "finished" his first learning steps with DuoLingo, Memrise, 50languages (or Mondly).
- DuoLingo does not always present meaningful sentences with their robotic engine.
- Memrise adds some phrases/sentences on offical 1-7 courses, but reviewing by "fully typing" (activated user script) is quite exhausting and multiple-choice makes REALLY no sense.
- and I could probably learn another batch of "useful sentences" for real-life for possible speaking (e.g two person dialogs/lessons) and various available themes on Mondly (e.g at the restaurant, at the airport, at the doctor, e.g)
I believe you can already configure it out that I initially have not joined Lingvist N O T to learn a language (like Portuguese) from scratch (0-3000), but to find a place where I make my next learning steps, either:
a) to strengthen weak / difficult previously learned vocabulary (because of missing the right and changing context(s) on other plattforms)
b) to learn NEW upper-intemediate to advanced words
c) to learn those words from B) in an quite (more) effective and FASTER way by using sentences / varying context, but still having only to type a single word (I love your concept!).
This was one of the reasons, why so many people on the DuoLingo discussion forum suggested to sign-up on Lingvist, just because they can remember/recall words that good or even better than using other learning portals, and they can learn a lot more than only 15 words / day.
My questions to your Lingvist team:
Are you 100% sure that you want to introduce this announced maximum ~3000 words limit, which probably means that you will be losing upper-intermediate/advanced learners for "Lingvist Free"
What are your plans to introduce 5,000 - 10,000 and above (>10,000) words and seeing them in varying contexts including videos, story telling?
I basically read that you plan for (grammar) challenges, reading longer texts assisted, etc.
Maybe I have to wait a bit more to find out what this all means in more detail....
- Why not go the alternative "ads way" for "Lingvist Free" for 3,000-5,000 Non Plus/Pro users (not <3000), which you could name "Plus/Pro" or anything else, where a user can select to deactivate ads by paying (but maybe not 22,95$/months)?
I have no problems seeing ads on a website after a lesson or in parallel on a right panel - like DuoLingo does it right now for Non-Plus account holders.
Ads on a mobile app however can be much more frustrating (than the web), agreed, as if they are shown between lessons or you have to click the "No, I do not want this Pro/Plus membership" each time after a finished ~7 words (10-20 questions) lesson.
You can't run them in parallel to a lesson / flashcard on that smaller smartphone screen, like you could on the website.
- Do you have any plans to add more different account levels to "Unlimited"?
Having only "one premium" account may be great for your easier accounting/billing process, but I am not sure if every language learner is on a "higher budget" or does not want all other available "Premium/Unlimited" features.
Sorry, I can not compare the new Lingvist pricing to model to other premium vendors, as two Portuguese Podcast (video/audio) series have a model way beyond my tigther budget.
German: Ich habe leider zeit nicht den nötigen Überblick dafür.
- Do you have any plans for a "Lifetime" account subscription (>1year) or limiting an account to a single language, instead of providing access to (all) / multiple courses (e.g French, Spanish, German, Russian, etc.) for "Lingvist Unlimited"?
I think the last point 5) is also one point, what I was personally missing in your feature comparision matrix.
How many courses do each account type provide?
- Have you thought about limiting learning NEW words from 50 to 10-15/day?
If I could have the option to learn only 10-15 upper-intermediate/advanced words (3,000-5,000 and above) per day with "Lingvist Free", this would be better than to have nothing and being stopped at 3,000.
I will be happy to hear from you and I am curious how I could integrate Lingvist in 2018-2019++ into my study plans, in parallel to the above mentioned other learning sites.
I wish you much success for your business and 2018 year and I can't wait seeing some "documentation videos" of your Lingvist team, playing around with new features.
Viele Grüße / With best regards