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@thomas-heiss said in Using our own sentences:

What don't you use AnkiSRS?

Sorry, can't delete / edit my above posting anymore.

Of course I wanted to write: Why don't you try out AnkiSRS?

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Well, for my "end of 2017 year Spanish challenge" I found it pretty boring to get penetrated with exact the same sentence once I answered the question wrong.

Where are those varying 3-5 or even more sentences per single word?

Lingvist IMHO heavily focuses on error repetitions (<4h interval) within a 30-60 minutes "learning session" and repeating over and over again the old sentences by dynamically adding those words back to the "repeat practice steak".

Memrise at least "supported" with a user script to tune 3-7+ repetitions down to ONE error repeat in a single review session.
The default of Memrise was three before, and making errors could easily bring up the same word in the same session 6-7 times.
That's way too much!

If I do this ONE error repeat wrong, I may get 2-3 repeats in total.
Thats all.
I can live with that.
I can somehow also skip over if I really do not want it once the progress bar is almost at it's end and just those few "incorrect word repeats" showup.

And if I did not know the word, it would not come up for the next review sooner than 4h (red, very wrong) / 12h (next interval after 4h or yellow almost correct answered), so I can focus on other words to review from my backlog or learn focus on NEW words in a defined 10-15++ words session.

Memrise of course has for the 1-7 courses the same (fixed) sentences, but with a bit more air (4h / 12h / 1d) it is not that annoying to repeat them.


I am not sure what exactly I "learned" with my 1000 Spanish words challenge.
"A bit of Spanish"? Yes, it was very nice for me to compare my 1,5 years knowledge of Portuguese to Spanish on Lingvist with it's superb high quality Spanish audio!

Have I learned all the sentences?
Have I really learned the words and verb conjugations and tenses?

I may find out when I will be back to Lingvist Spanish reviews one day when I have progressed with my two Portuguese reverse trees... ;)


Grammar teaching:

On those days where I learned 2-3h / day on Lingvist to push 50-100 NEW words limits, I was hardly able to detail review the tips may it either be grammar, person conjugations, tenses, etc.
The more time I wasted, the faster those "error word repeats" kicked in!

You really should focus not more than max. 10-20 new words / day on Lingvist!!!

I put much more time than 20 hours into DuoLingo, learning sequentially skill by skill, lesson by lesson, "tips and notes" grammar one by one and Memrise in parallel, to learn and memorize Portuguese.

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I can not edit or delete the above comment anymore (300 seconds limit).

You can find the updated text here: https://lingvist.com/forum/post/3974

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@kaspar said in Any discounts or promotions planned for the future?:

This is why we made sure that most of our learners can continue learning with the effective (ad) free version and put only those features behind the paywall that only the most dedicated learners use.

Well, I gave already my detail feedback with suggestions to your team mid of December 2017 what I think about your "3000 words cutting" method with "Lingvist Free" in this thread, didn't I?

The feedback from staff has been ZERO, sorry to say.
IMHO you chose the "one way road" and you continued to drive it, dunno why.

Because you want to (only) continue "ad free"?

Your staff has already agreed in other recent threads that "Lingvist unlimited" upgrade makes e.g no sense for Spanish learners as they can only extend vocabulary from 3000 (Free cut) to ~3800 and not 5000 at this time and that the costs would not justify the "Lingvist unlimited" benefits (maybe it does for French because of ~5000 words).

We are convinced that the current and future features of Lingvist Unlimited help learners to acquire information faster and deeper

Well, there has been two threads about about this and statistics, and your blog article.

Your own past analytics e.g say that at least three learners could learn 2000 words in 17 hours on three different learning concepts with this in common.

Nevertheless, I personally and strongly think that these 2000words/17h data has been collected with a quite different older Lingvist algorithm and the "practice repeat stack" behaved very different at that time....or ALL of the three learners may not have been true beginners in that language?!?

My data of my own "end of 2017 year Lingvist Spanish challenge" proved, that I could "only" learn 1000 words in 20 hours and 11 days.

Why?
Because your dynamically increasing "repeat practice stack" drove me really crazy...I already wrote about it in another thread.

No, I am surely not a superbrain.
I will not 100% remember every single Spanish word I was taught on Lingvist (even shown within a complete sentence).
I surely will make some or many errors in repeats (and I did!) when I can NOT guess the word correctly the first time or remember the different Spanish writing / pronuncation style even the word is almost the same like in Portuguese.

For some days I took 1h learning sessions...for other days I tried hard to push the 50/100 NEW words limits and could only succeed with 2-3 hours / day splitted learning sessions.

One of the last two days when I came back 45-90 minutes later after a short break, I was again overwhelmed with added words in the "repeat practice stack".

My language background:

  • I was pretty much pre-skilled with Portuguese Brazil as my 1st Romance language for more than one year on DuoLingo and Memrise and other portals, even I had to learn Spanish from scratch (so not a "true" Romance language beginner - I believe that for those beginners it would be even harder - almost impossible to reach the suggested statistic data on Lingvist!).

  • I am a very quick writer (ten finger system), so I knew how to quickly push from one flashcard (even with errors) forward to the other to win over your error system!

I also wrote down what statistic number I could achieve in 17 hours (<1000 words) but this taken screenshot is at the moment stored on a 2nd Laptop harddrive and not available to me as I write this comment.


So no, I am that much convinced what you told (and I quoted) above, Kasper. I am very sorry.


Example:

The first week after my Lingvist challenge I was back in learning new Portuguese BR words on my last Memrise PT BR 7 course and it was so much more relaxing for me in combining different learning concepts like:

  • "half-planting (10) NEW words" (Memrise Android app allows you to do it) to avoid reviews the same and next day (e.g your backlog queue is still filled)
  • (half-)planting first 10 words of multiple levels (groups)
  • to plant more difficult words in 6 steps with mixed challenges (audio, multiple-choice, not only typing) for 4+12h reviews later (and not sooner than 4h)
  • NOT being forced to review at the same time when I want to learn NEW words
  • defined learning sessions to focus on NEW words (and not reviews or 3-6 error repeats; most often 1-3 (max) answer error repeats is the personal limit!)
  • more effective "cram (bulk) learning" (I easily hit the 50/100 words limits)
  • finally seeing a progress bar (I missed it so much!)
  • defined 100 words reviews in a single "review session" with a progress bar
    etc.

I would like to agree with you Kasper, that there is room for the one or other improvement.

I want to wish your team all the best!

Viele Grüße / Best regards from Germany

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@kaspar said in Any discounts or promotions planned for the future?:

This is why we made sure that most of our learners can continue learning with the effective (ad) free version and put only those features behind the paywall that only the most dedicated learners use.

Well, I gave already my detail feedback with suggestions to your team mid of December 2017 what I think about your "3000 words cutting" with "Lingvist Free", didn't I?: https://lingvist.com/forum/topic/810/your-3000-words-cutting-announcement-with-lingvist-free

The feedback from staff has been ZERO, sorry to say.
IMHO you chose the "one way road" and you continued to drive it, dunno why.

Because you want to continue "ad free"?

Your staff has already agreed in other recent threads that "Lingvist unlimited" upgrade makes e.g no sense for Spanish learners as they can only extend vocabulary from 3000 (Free cut) to ~3800 and not 5000 at this time and that the costs would not justify the "Lingvist unlimited" benefits (maybe it does for French because of ~5000 words).

We are convinced that the current and future features of Lingvist Unlimited help learners to acquire information faster and deeper

Well, there has been two threads about about this and statistics, and your blog article.

Your own past analytics e.g say that at least three learners could learn 2000 words in 17 hours on three different learning concepts with this in common.

Nevertheless, I personally and strongly think that these 1000words/17h data has been collected with a quite different older Lingvist algorithm and the "practice repeat stack" behaved very different at that time....or ALL of the three learners may not have been true beginners in that language?!?

My data of my own "end of 2017 year Lingvist Spanish challenge" proved, that I could "only" learn 1000 words in 20 hours and 11 days.

Why?
Because your dynamic increasing "repeat practice stack" drove me really crazy...I already wrote about it in another thread.

For some days I took 1h learning sessions...for other days I tried to push the 50/100 NEW words limits and could only succeed with 2-3 hours / day splitted learning sessions.

One of the last two days when I came back 45-90 minutes later after a short break, I was again overwhelmed with added words in the "repeat practice stack".

My language background:

  • I was pretty much pre-skilled with Portuguese Brazil as my 1st Romance language for more than one year on DuoLingo and Memrise and other portals, even I had to learn Spanish from scratch (so not a "true" Romance language beginner - I believe that for those beginners it would be even harder - almost impossible on Lingvist!).

  • I am a very quick writer (ten finger system), so I knew how to quickly push from one flashcard (even with errors) forward to the other to win over your error system!

I also wrote down what I could achieve in 17 hours (<1000 words) but this taken screenshot is at the moment stored on a 2nd Laptop harddrive and not available to me as I write this comment.


So no, I am that much convinced what you told (and I quoted) above, Kasper. I am very sorry.


Example:

The first week after my Lingvist challenge I was back in learning new Portuguese words on the last Memrise PT BR 7 course and it was so much more relaxing for mein combining different learning concepts like:

  • "half-planting (10) NEW words" (Android app allows you to do it)
  • (half-)planting 10 words of multiple levels (groups)
  • NOT being forced to review at the same time when I want to learn NEW words
  • defined learning sessions to focus on NEW words (and not reviews or errors)
  • more effective "cram (bulk) learning" (I easily hit the 50/100 words limits)
  • finally seeing a progress bar (I missed it so much!)
  • defined 100 words reviews in a single "review session" with a progress bar
    etc.

I would agree with you Kasper, that there is room for the one or other improvement.

Viele Grüße / Best regards from Germany

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@beachgirl26r

You can learn in French ~5000 (unlimited) vs 3000 (free) words, if you have not already done so.

You can complete challenges, where only one challenge is available per day with the "Lingvist Free".

How many words are in your vocabulary database?

You can also learn more than 50 words / day with "Lingvist Unlimited"

Feature matrix: https://lingvist.com/pricing/

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@duncan-0 said in What does Lingvist Unlimited really offer??:

I do need to add that I found the Free course to be a big help in my vocabulary and pronunciation development.

I personally found that the Spanish crystal clear audio on Lingvist is so much better than DuoLingo Spanish TTS or "Google translate" Spanish TTS.

I quickly tested out Spanish to level 9 on Duoglingo on the Android app after learning Portuguese more than one year and I tried (failed) twice on the web portal before (but typing and listening exercise challenges are much more difficult without any hints and word bricks)....all before my Lingvist Spanish challenge.

If you want to learn Catalan for FREE you can do so on Glossika: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26604743

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I went for uTalk to strengthen my PT BR vocabulary and hopefully to see some phrases.

They even have topics like "Sailing" :-)

One DuoLingo user had added a thread about an uTalk offer on http://stacksocial.com/ which cost me $30 for 6 languages for "unlimited lifetime" (just have registered PT BR - left the five others "slots" unused).

Normally you either pay ~59,99EUR (one time) per language or 9,99EUR per month (all 130 languages) in their shop.

Sadly uTalk won't focus on conversations (I heard Babbel supports this?) nor full sentences (maybe / hopefully some beginner phrases) in contrast to Lingvist.

But as I have signed up for a Podcast last year and 2 years Premium subscription (video, audio) to practice PT BR listening, I can only (hardly) afford offers like this - and "lifetime account" in 6 languages may even help me a bit to continue learning Spanish, French, Czech in the near future,....

On Lingvist I had completed a end of 2017 year challenge and learned in 11 days 1000 words in 20 hours (I kinda dislike the "repeat practice stack" how it works right now without my Memrise "progress bar" for a define review/learning session).


If you do not want to or can not afford Lingvist, I would have to strongly suggest to check out the OpenSource software AnkiSRS (available for Windows) and find a good 10-15k sentence "shared deck" (there are some, sorted by word frequency).
It might take you a while to read the docs, try around with SR / learning settings, thread their forum and any available Anki tuning blogs, but maybe it could get you hooked up to learn the rest >3800 words.

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I went for uTalk to strengthen my PT BR vocabulary and hopefully to see some phrases.

They even have topics like "Sailing" :-)

One DuoLingo user had added a thread about an uTalk offer on http://stacksocial.com/ which cost me $30 for 6 languages for "unlimited lifetime" (just have registered PT BR - left the five others "slots" unused).

Normally you either pay ~60$ (on time) per language or $10 per month.

Sadly uTalk won't focus on conversations (I heard Babbel supports this?) nor full sentence (maybe / hopefully some beginner phrases) in contrast to Lingvist.

But as I have signed up for a Pod101 last year and 2 years Premium contract (video, audio) to practice PT BR listening, I can only (hardly) afford offers like this - and unlimited in 6 languages may even help in Spanish, French, Czech, etc.


If you can not afford Lingvist, I would have to strongly suggest to check out the OpenSource software AnkiSRS (available for Windows) and find a good 10-15k sentence "shared deck" (there are some, sorted by word frequency).


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